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Message No. 159
Author: JW
Subject: 90th BG Squadron Colors
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 10:12
IP: 209.209.197.57

Message:
I'm looking to find the right colors for a 90th BG 320th BS B-24D. In particular Moby Dick 124047 circa 1942-43.

I'm a little confused about the color of the background for the skull and cross-bombs on the vertical stabilizer. One source says that each squadron had its own color - the 320th's color is said to be Red or Blue depending on which source you believe (see note below).

Other sources say the background was black and that the squadron colors were not adopted until 1944 when the Group took delivery of B-24Js. Therefore all squadrons would have sported a black background for the skull and cross-bombs.

So, for a 90th BG B-24D operating before 1944 should I use the squadron colors or black for the background of the skull and cross-bombs?

If squadron colors are used was the 320th's color red or blue?

The photographs I've seen are black and white and as such I cannot discern the color.

Will appreciate any comments

Jim W


Note: The source I'm referring to is the Osprey Publication B-24 Liberator Units of the Pacific War. On page 20 the 319th's color is reported to be red while the 320th's color is blue. However, the same source provides color plates where Tokio Express of the 319th BS has a blue background, and Eager Beaver of the 320th has a red background.

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Responses:
    • Moby Dick colors skull/crossbonesjoyce falba, Sun Jan 18 10:22
      The color was red. My father Joseph Broschart stated he flew in the MOBY DICK once in 1943 when the EAGER BEAVER was down for repairs. The squadron color was red but not a bright red. Joyce
      • 320th Tail background colorJohn Faulkner, Sun Feb 26 10:03
        I was in the 320th Sqdn. from Aug. 1943 to Aug. 1944 and flew 44 missions to Weewak, Rabaul,Biak and other targets. The background for the skull and cross bombs for the 320th sqdn Was red it was... more
        • Re: 320th Tail background colorPaul Gallagher, Mon Feb 27 13:31
          Dear Mr Faulkner, Si I was wondering, you were in the same unit as my dad, 90th bomb grp, 329th sqn. I am unsure of when he arrived, I do know that he received campaign ribbons for the So... more
          • Paul Gallagher questionJohn Faulkner, Mon Feb 27 15:22
            Paul I am sorry that I did not know your father. Ilooked through my Jolly Rogere book that lists every one that wAS. IN THE GROUP This covwers the years 1942 to 1944. If your dad was in the... more
            • Re: Paul Gallagher questionPaul Gallagher, Mon Feb 27 16:00
              Sir, my thanks for your fast reply!If you could possible tell me a history of the unit ,such as founding of it, obviously your knowledge of it would be up until 1944. But any such info would be... more
              • Jolly Roger HistoryBonnie Dilworth, Tue Mar 7 10:05
                Paul, The best source for Jolly Roger information is the book LEGACY OF THE 90TH BOMBARDMENT GROUP THE JOLLY ROGERS by Wiley O Woods Jr. If you would be interested in obtaining a copy of the book... more
                • bookPaul Gallagher, Tue Mar 7 18:43
                  Hello Bonnie, I would love to get a copy of this book. Please let me know how much it is thru you, or if I can obtain a copy in some other way. Thanks. Paul
                  • BookBonnie Dilworth, Tue Mar 7 19:52
                    Paul, Email me and I will give you the details.
              • Jolly Roger historyJohn Faulkner, Mon Mar 6 13:21
                Paul if you will send me your e-mail address I will send you some information that I think you can use in your quest for Jolly Roger origin and history. John
                • Re: Jolly Roger historyPaul Gallagher, Mon Mar 6 15:43
                  Dear Mr. Faulkner, Thanks for your reply and information. Here is my email address. twowinboyz@sbcglobal.net. Thanks again Sir. Paul
          • Paul G (nm)John Faulkner, Mon Feb 27 15:11
        • 320thLarry Looby, Mon Feb 27 08:35
          Hello John; Do you remember Tom Sippel of the 321st. Radio Gunner?
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